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Ontaku Oroa
Minmatar
Masuat'aa Matari
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.02.26 11:30:00 -
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As far as I know, CVA didn't and still doesn't offer the "umbrella" deal to their Holders either. Joint ops otherwise known as "proviblob" were the norm, where each Holder alliance was expected to be able to take care of itself and deploy a "levy" of ships for CVA-organized ops.
Expecting someone to offer you your personal bodyguard service in space is not renting, you got mercenaries for that. Renting is paying for the right to occupy space you would otherwise be kicked out from or would have no chance of taking sovereignity of in the first place. You can also have a mutual protection agreements, but expecting one alliance to duke it out and the other to 'bear all the time is not very realistic in that context.
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Ontaku Oroa
Minmatar
Masuat'aa Matari
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.02.26 11:53:00 -
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Edited by: Ontaku Oroa on 26/02/2010 11:54:26
Well you are talking about corporations, I'm talking about alliances. Corporations have their place, be they PvP or 'bear centric. A smart alliance will always have a few industrial heavy corps doing the lubricating of the wheels of war in the background. And I doubt there are many corporations out there which can fork out the kind of cash you need to rent a system and maintain it.
But an alliance is a different matter. Its much more loosely tied to the "big dog" alliance than a corporation would be, that's one. And two, even the smallest sov holding alliances usually occupy a lot more space than a single corp would ever be capable of. Which means more space to defend. And when you ask people to lose their ships defending guys who are belt ratting or plexing without a care in the world, tensions start to mount.
I guess the only way an umbrella deal could be made if the 'bear alliance committed to support their protectors with the same sort of services and benefits an industrial corp brings to a PvP alliance. But if you think of how hard such a deal would be to pull off... nah. You want space, be prepared to defend it. Works best.
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Ontaku Oroa
Minmatar
Masuat'aa Matari
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.02.26 14:07:00 -
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 Originally by: Butter Dog
Who said anything about rent?
There are more ways than one to pay rent. CVA Holders are renters, whether they believe it or not. They may pay rent with obedience, with ships, or with ISK/materials... if they don't they are punished.
In the end, if Providence is ever to have a NRDS status again, all of the local residents will have to enforce said policy themselves, not relying on U'K or anyone else to police their space for them. In fact I don't remember U'K ever policing anything outside our own space. Mutual protection, that works. But one side bearing all the burden of keeping space secure while the other is ratting 24/7? I don't know of a single example of such a relationship in Eve.
And also a reminder to people who seem to expect certain stuff from U'K - the overarching goal of U'K remains, as always, expulsion and destruction of slavers from Providence and beyond. Not making everyone feel nice cuddly warm inside. 
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Ontaku Oroa
Minmatar
Masuat'aa Matari
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.03.01 10:17:00 -
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For one I admire the courage Genos shows in fielding multiple Machariels and faction cruisers for skirmish warfare. I would only request you lose them more often because they've been a bit slow to move lately and I could use a few extra ISK to light cigars with.
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Ontaku Oroa
Minmatar
Masuat'aa Matari
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.03.01 11:14:00 -
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Originally by: Rhak Amharr
What a ****ty pet you are, while you use wrecks to light your cigars with, I use machariels to light mine. :)
Wrecks? Nah, my Machariels are in pristine condition and are available at a premium price! Cynabals too. And Dramiels, every time a Dramiel pops a ship broker says "ka-ching!"
So keep on fighting, 'tis good for business. 
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Ontaku Oroa
Minmatar
Masuat'aa Matari
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.03.01 14:02:00 -
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Conlin I think they are in it for, as it goes, the "lulz". In other words, they've got nothing to lose and probably don't give a space rat's arse who wins.
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Ontaku Oroa
Minmatar
Masuat'aa Matari
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.03.01 15:04:00 -
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I remember flying a Thrasher against CVA capitals in 9UY back when we were the ones getting pasted left and right. Because that was pretty much the only hull which I could afford with the cash and skills I had on which I could fit the highest amount of guns. Whoever could, fought, even though I think we all knew its was a losing game.
But its too early to bash CVA for the "non-violent resistance" policy, I'm sure they'll be bringing the fight tooth and nail when their home systems are being sieged. Though I feel inclined to remind their strategists, if there are any, that the elastic defense doctrine assumes continuous and effective harassment of the enemy. The Gandhi approach doesn't work.
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